Trump Employee 5 Brian Butler recently revealed to CNN anchor Kaitlan Collins when things “got real” for him as he cooperated in the probe into former President Donald Trump via Mediaite.
It has been noted that Collins scored an exclusive interview with the former Trump staffer known in the Mar-a-Lago indictment as “Trump Employee 5” — now revealed to be Butler, a 20-year employee of Trump.
On Monday night’s edition of CNN’s The Source with Kaitlan Collins, Collins decided to rollout clips from that interview in which Butler revealed his unwitting part in moving boxes of documents for Trump and his distaste for his now-former boss.
In one exchange, Butler described the unnerving moment things “got real” for him — when investigators told him Trump’s team would be getting access to his testimony:
COLLINS: It must feel like you’re choosing between loyalty to these — to your friends, and–
BUTLER: Absolutely.
COLLINS: –and truth.
BUTLER: Absolutely. And there’s no person that wants loyalty more than the former President. I mean, he says it all the time.
COLLINS: Given how other people, who have been in Trump’s orbit, and left, and told the truth, and how they’ve been treated, did it ever make you hesitate to–
BUTLER: No. Look, I was always going to tell the truth.
But, after one of the interviews, with the Justice — the investigators, on this case, I think it got real, when at the end of it — it was either my second or third, fourth time talking to them, where they said, at the end of it, oh, by the way, all of your grand jury testimony and witness testimony has been turned over to the Trump defense, you know?
At that point, you’re like, oh, boy, you know?
COLLINS: Did it make you nervous?
BUTLER: Yes, a little bit. But I don’t want to live in fear. I mean, we’re only here for a finite time. To me, I refuse to live in fear like that. I mean, yes, cautious. But, I’m going to tell the truth.
