In a recent interview with CNN’s Alisyn Camerota, Michael Cohen, former lawyer and fixer for Donald Trump, discussed the latest federal indictment charging Trump with four counts related to his alleged efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election. Cohen delved into the indictment, focusing on the six unnamed co-conspirators listed in the document, whom he believes will likely turn against Trump. He went further to suggest that some key players not named in the indictment, such as Jared Kushner, may already be cooperating with investigators.
Cohen expressed his belief that the indicted individuals are well aware that they are being referred to in the indictment, making it crucial for him to have his attorneys reach out to the prosecutor, Jack Smith, and his team to offer any information he may have. Cohen speculated that Rudy Giuliani, Trump’s former lawyer and close confidante, has likely already spoken to investigators, emphasizing that Giuliani would not want to spend his remaining days behind bars for Trump.
The conversation then shifted to the absence of certain figures from the indictment, particularly Mark Meadows and Jared Kushner. Cohen suggested that their exclusion could indicate that they are cooperating witnesses. Camerota expressed surprise at the idea that Kushner, as Trump’s son-in-law, would cooperate against him. Cohen responded firmly, stating that Jared Kushner would do so without hesitation, asserting that Trump would also throw Kushner under the bus if it meant saving himself.
“What makes you think that?” Camerota asked.
“Because I understand Rudy. Rudy has no interest in spending his remaining days on this planet behind bars for Donald Trump,” Cohen replied, adding:
In fact, you know, I think the more important thing in this indictment to look at are not who the six coconspirators are, but rather who is missing from this indictment. Like, for example, you don’t see any mention of Mark Meadows. You see nothing of Jared Kushner. Jared Kushner was the secretary of everything. How is it possible that he is not listed here? He was there. He was on Donald’s lap the entire time from the day Donald entered the White House to the day that he left.
“So how do you explain it?” Camerota pressed.
“I believe he’s probably a cooperating witness,” Cohen claimed.
“Jared Kushner, that’s interesting, because people have pointed out that Mark Meadows is conspicuously absent from the indictment. But, Jared Kushner’s his son in law. You think that his son in law would cooperate against Donald Trump?” asked a stunned Camerota.
“Oh, in a heartbeat. Do you think Jared is any different than Donald? Do you think that Donald wouldn’t throw Jared under the bus in order to save himself? The answer is an emphatic yes,” Cohen insisted.
“And you think the same is true of Mark Meadows?” she followed up.
“Absolutely. Well, what’s the one thing that Bill Barr said that I totally agree with, that Donald doesn’t care about anyone or anything other than himself. He’s a one way street. And if that means that Jared has to go down or Mark Meadows or Rudy Colludy or Eastman or any of them, he doesn’t care. That’s just who he is,” Cohen concluded.
Cohen’s view is that Trump cares only about his own interests and is willing to sacrifice anyone, including close allies and family members, to protect himself. He extended this belief to include individuals like Mark Meadows and Rudy Giuliani, insisting that they too would be abandoned by Trump if it served his self-preservation.
