CNN anchor Abby Phillip recently asked Trump co-defendant Kenneth Chesebro’s Attorney Scott Grubman whether his client is “willing to implicate Trump on a witness stand” after his guilty plea via Media Ite.
It has been noted that on Thursday morning, Sidney Powell, one of Trump’s 18 co-defendants in the Georgia election crimes case brought by Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis — accepted a plea deal that will require her testimony at future trials.
Then on Friday, pro-Trump lawyer Kenneth Chesebro pled guilty to the charges against him in that same election crimes case. His plea of guilty to one felony count of conspiracy to commit filing false documents allowed him to avoid jail time.
On Friday night’s edition of CNN NewsNight, Phillip interviewed Grubman and flat-out asked if Chesebro is prepared to implicate ex-President Donald Trump. Grubman tried hard to push back on the idea thre was anything to implicate Trump for in the first place:
“PHILLIP: A huge legal blow for former President Trump with a third co-defendant pleading guilty in the Georgia election interference case. And this time, it is the person who is at the heart of the fake elector’s plot. Pro-Trump lawyer Kenneth Chesebro pleading guilty to one felony count of conspiracy to commit filing false documents. Now, prosecutors are recommending that he serve five years of
probation, and he’s also agreed to testify in future court proceedings. I want to bring in now Kenneth Chesebro’s Attorney, Scott Grubman. Scott, thank you for being here.
Look, today your client has now implicated Trump in this criminal conspiracy. If he is called upon to testify in this Georgia case, is he willing to implicate Trump on a witness stand, which seems to be required in this plea deal that he just struck?
SCOTT GRUBMAN, KENNETH CHESEBRO’S ATTORNEY: So, Abby, first of all, thank you so much for having me. Second of all, I am going to respectfully disagree with you on one thing. I don’t think he implicated anyone but himself.
And I just want to point out two important facts that I think will get exactly to your question. Not only did he avoid jail time, but this is the most important. He did not plead guilty to the RICO charge. Mr. Chesbro pled guilty and I printed it out to make sure I had the exact words. conspiracy to commit filing of false documents. The RICO charge was dismissed.
And listen, Mr. Chesebro accepted the responsibility for count 15 of the indictment. And he agreed that if he were called by the state, he would come testify truthfully. And he is a man of his word and he will do that. Whether his testimony is going to be helpful to the state, that’s going to be for the state to decide.
I personally do not see his testimony being helpful for the state, but if the state wants to call him, he absolutely can come and tell the truth. And if they think that’s helpful for them, and they think they could convince a jury that his testimony is helpful for them, then so be it.
PHILLIP: So, who in Mr. Chesebro’s view was the architect of this fake electors plot?
GRUBMAN: Mr. Chesebro doesn’t think there was a fake electors plan and Abby, please again, I know I’m repeating myself, but the fake electors plot was part of the RICO conspiracy and Fani Willis dismissed the RICO charge. And the charge that he pled to has nothing to do with being the architect of the fake elector plot.
And I will say, and I will ask anyone listening to ask themselves this question.
If Mr. Chesebro was the architect of the fake elector plot, then would the District Attorney of Fulton County offer him five years probation and first offender? I don’t think she would.
And that really just proves that while he did accept responsibility for count 15, that he was never the architect of the fake elector plot. And I think if you asked him who was, I think he would say there wasn’t a fake elector plot and there certainly wasn’t an architect. And it certainly wasn’t him.”
